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Post by Vyx on Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:35 am

Hi Folks

Been pushed over here by the wonders of Facebook Smile

I am owned (well and flippin truly!) by my CAG (Tinga), my Eclectus pair (Chilli and Kiwi) and my Greenwing (The Chief).

Tinga had been living with PDD for over 4 years and is doing really well. Am happy to answer any PDD questions anyone may have.

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Post by Di T on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:23 am

Hi Vyx,
Another new member brilliant cheers
Hope you will post some piccys.
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Post by Scarlett on Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:22 am

Hello,
Great to see another new member.
That`s very interesting about Tinga, can ask how you confirmed it was PDD? I am sorry she has it, I would love to hear the full story, what were the first symptoms leading to you discovering she had PDD?

Sorry, I would like to hear first hand experience rather than hearsay from magazines or the internet!

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Re: Do I see some familiar names hmmmmm?

Post by Vyx on Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:11 am

Hi, thank you Di and Scarlett for the welcome Smile

Scarlett - to try and answer your questions (this may be a long one lol).

We do not have a confirmed diagnosis of PDD as the ONLY 100% test is performed post mortem. Crop biopsies are used as a diagnostic tool but it isn't foolproof. Biopsies look for a particular type of lesion (apparently these lesions are always present in the brain tissue of PDD birds, hence why the only reliable test is post mortem) and to have a crop biopsy come back as negative may simply mean that the lesions were not present on that particular sample, however a positive biopsy result is reliable. PDD is normally offered as a diagnosis based on the history, symptoms and often an X - ray and/or and internal scope (a distended pro-ventriculous, coupled with other warning signs would ofted lead a vet to dianose PDD).

Now then a bit of flock history is needed here. In April 2006, our beloved Harlequin, Mac, became fluffed up and lethargic (the big warning sign was he stopped trying to murder my husband) so we took him straight to our avian vet. Cutting a VERY long story short, he was x-rayed, scoped and underwent a crop biopsy. The vet offered a tentative PDD diagnosis based on his symptoms and a distend pro-ventriculous. PDD was confirmed a few days later on the postive results of the crop biopsy. We brought him home and I hand fed him twice, sometimes 3 times a day as he lost interest in eating for himself. Please understand that (after supportive care at the vets following his initial episode) he was still playing, talking and getting into trouble so I deemed him to have quality of life at this point. He had another episode in July and we lost him at the vets on the 29th July 2006. I will never forgive myself for not being with him when he passed away but will always be grateful that he was in the arms of the vet assistant/volunteer, who happened to be close personal friend, and I know his actual passing was swift and peaceful.

Having read everything I could get my hands on about PDD when Mac got sick, I knew that, statistically, if you introduce PDD to a flock of 5, 1 bird with develop it. I had 5 birds (then 4 with Mac passing) and as the year moved on I began to relax and think that the rest of the flock was not affected. WRONG.

Early December of 2006 my female CAG (Comet) seemed to drop a lot of weight overnight. Back to the vets (different vet) and under anaesthetic for a x-ray. Sadly, the vet rang me to advise that she was struggling to bring Comet back from the anaesthetic, she advised me that the pro-ventriculous was distended (that coupled with symptoms and history pointed to PDD) and she also had an enlarged heart (not PDD related) so any prognosis would be very poor. I decided to let her go. One of the hardest decisions I have ever made but I believe it was right for her.

Approx. 2 weeks later, my male CAG (Tinga) also seemed to quickly lose weight however, so soon after losing Comet under anaesthetic I refused an x-ray/scope etc. This vet (the vet that treated Mac - this was all at the same surgery btw, just different vets) was prepared to treat for PDD based on symptoms and flock history without any invasive testing. Incidentally, the vet that treated Comet also saw Tinga during the time of his diagnosis and suggested (not too sypathetically either) that he wouldn't last long and the best thing I could do was put him down. 4 years later and I am soooooooooooooo glad I refused!!!!!!!

There is much more to the whole story (including the 2 Ekkies who are still fit and healthy) but I think that is enough for now Smile If there is enough interest I may post the complete story so far on the health boards but I think that is enough for now Smile

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Post by Scarlett on Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:21 am

Blimey, I am so sorry for all you have been through.
I personally think your experience is so important and I for one would be very grateful to hear the entire story, although I appreciate this must be very hard for you.

I wonder if the Eclectus are less likely to get it as a species, and whether Comet had something else going on with the heart problem etc which meant the PDD took a hold quicker?

I just don`t know. It terrifies me, it really does. We take in rescue birds and you just never really know do you. We quarantine them and get vets checks done but it`s only in the here and now so a day later it could be a totally different story.

Thank you for sharing your tale and I am so pleased Tinga is doing so well. Do you have to feed Tinga or intervene with anything daily or does he just carry on as normal? Sorry, I have never really had the chance to speak to anyone who has actually experienced this and it seems to affect different birds differently.

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Re: Do I see some familiar names hmmmmm?

Post by Vyx on Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:41 am

I am more than happy to re-tell the whole tale for Problem Parrots members. Although, there is a lot to tell so I think it will be in chapters.

A quick addition about your wonderings about the Ekkies. Apparantly they are one of the more susceptible species, my then avian vet (I have since moved) said that, by far, Ekkies were the most comon type he had seen with PDD. It's also easy to mis diagnose Ekkies as their pro-ventriculous (what would be the plural for that? lol pro-ventriculi?) are slightly larger than other species anyway.

The vet reckoned that Comet's enlarged heart was congenital and probably wouldn't have bothered her it she had been healthy otherwise but, because her heart had to work harder as GI system was under attack it then became a problem. Then we had a viscous circle scenario as she was weaker because her heart was under the stress of having to work harder, IYSWIM.

There is a lot more to Mac's story and acres more to Tinga's story lol.

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Post by Scarlett on Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:37 am

Oh! So the Eclectus who are more prone to PDD appear fine? Hmm!
I look forward to learning more.
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Re: Do I see some familiar names hmmmmm?

Post by parrotmum on Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:12 pm

Hi i am sorry to here about all your trouble's . i personally think hearing all your experieance would be of great bennefit to all instead of hearing or reading about it off the web least with you haveing first hand experiance you will be able to tell little things that other articles don't tell as they don't seem them inportant but as you will know even little things can point you in the right direction.

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Post by Michelle on Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:32 pm

Hello and Welcome to the forum!!
I'm so sorry that you have experienced this awful disease.
I too, would be very interested to here Tingas story, I am glad he is doing well and has managed to live with PDD. Is he on the medications? It is strange how it affects different birds in different ways, some more than others.
Thats very interesting about Eccies too. (I have a female eccie called Bonnie)
Maybe we should start a PDD thread and a thread on Tinga?
Look forward to speaking with you soon.
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Post by diane on Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:58 pm

Hi Vyx its good to see you on pp thanks for sharing about PDD

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Post by steve75 on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:55 am

Hi Vyx

ive seen the beautiful bird in question and heard this amazing story BUT please do tell us xx

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Re: Do I see some familiar names hmmmmm?

Post by Vyx on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:04 am

Thanks everybody for their kind comments.

I will post a more complete version but it's half term this week and i'm covered in kids, so if I don't get chance to come on for a few days that is why.

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Post by cazdragon on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 am

Hi and welcome!
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Post by Problem_Parrots on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:34 pm

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Post by JusDave on Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:20 pm

HI! Welcome aboard!

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Post by mad bird on Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:39 pm

hi vyx, and welcome,so sorry you have had all this heart ace with your birds,please do tell all,its helpfull to heard first hand
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Post by mad bird on Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:40 pm

hi vyx, and welcome,so sorry you have had all this heart ace with your birds,please do tell all,its helpfull to heard first hand
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First PDD chapter is online

Post by Vyx on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:00 pm

Hi folks.

First chapter of my PDD story is online here.

It's a bit long Embarassed

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Post by superluce on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:50 pm

Hi and Welcome Vyx Smile xx
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